Wednesday, November 19, 2014

CRIMINAL MINDS Season 10 - 1008. The Boys of Sudworth Place - Comments Thread

This thread is open for you all to post comments and talk about tonight's new CRIMINAL MINDS episode, titled 'The Boys of Sudworth Place', written by Kim Harrison.

Hope you've enjoyed today's episode, and remember that next week we'll have a brand new one!

55 comments:

  1. All I can say is the only good thing about this episode was there wasn't that much JJ.... as bad as this was, I think I'd rather have had JJ more..... Definitely will never watch again.

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    1. sorry but i feel is JJ Morgan and Callahan season

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    2. definitely i would like to see more garcia Reid and Hotch. I don't enjoy Rossi/callahan scenes, or either callahan.

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  2. I'm definitely going to have to re-watch this one before I can truly wrap my head around it. But after my first view, I sorta liked it. While there are some issues for me (starting with how is an adult abduction a BAU case) but the plot twists were amazing. I never saw any of them coming.

    And Hotch and Rossi were out in the field, kicking in a door instead of making the usual doughnut run, so that scores major Rockie brownie points.

    But I agree Barb, it's wasn't one to really shout about. I'll grade it later after I see it again.

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  3. Well...this episode was hard to stomach in my opinion due to certain things in the past. I do wish that the runners of CM would realize that there are other agents that can be in a take down. I get why Morgan was one of them, and it fit...but why JJ yet again? I just don't get it. She's not all that on a stick! I liked the quotes that bookends the episode. I'm curious about the promo (spoilers for the promo) for obvious reasons. 'm sure it's just a red herring but I bet it involves Rossi. 1) Hotch doesn't seem like he would've cheated 2) probably not Morgan for obvious reasons 3) the kid was, what, a teen? Probably not Reid as he would have probably been a teen at the time. Definitely possible, but not
    probable. Especially when you consider that he was what, in grad school? At the time and his classmates (thus the people he would be around him the most) would have been adults and and almost twice his age. That would be...illegal. anyways , my guess is Rossi even if it's a mix up or a scam.though...it would be nice to see Reid with a kid (and wife !)

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    1. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone so don't read the next paragraph if you don't like spoilers.

      Autumn, remember in "Strange Fruit" Rossi admitted one of his wives was black.

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    2. This time I actually felt JJ was a good choice because JJ is the one who spoke to Morgan regarding his assault in Restoration in season 8 (correct me if I'm wrong on that), and although I do think more of the team could've been there, JJ fit the situation. I feel like her and Morgan have gotten close, and she was right to be there for him. Just an opinion. :)

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  4. Ummm Don't want to really spoil it.. but from promo I saw.. Rossi has a grown black daughter!

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    1. OK...yeah...sorry. we're having some TV issues here with the broadcast, I didn't really see it well. I 'all have to look at the promo on my kindle when it comes out. I thought I saw differently but ah like I said, the whole episode was in and out. Sorry

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  5. Thanks rockhotch31 ! I forgot about that. I've only seen strange fruit once...not a fave of mine.

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  6. Again, whoever mans CBS's promo department has given away too much.. :(

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    1. I know, I wish I could stop myself from watching them because they always ruin it, but somehow I always find a way to see it.

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  7. Thanks for not making me feel too much like an idiot. I probably should've waited to watch it on Amazon via my Kindle due to the station issues. I don't have cable or whatever, but it usually does fine.... moving on....

    I do wish someone other than JJ could have been partnered with Morgan during the takedown.

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    1. No one is ever an idiot for asking a question Autumn... :) BTW welcome to CMRT! :)

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    2. *points* What Barb said Autumn! :D

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  8. A poor effort. I like to see the team profiling the unsubs rather than the unsubs dominating the whole episode. Little suspense, very little Reid, Hotch and Rossi, too much reliance on Garcia's magic computer again - not one to rewatch.

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    1. thanks god, i Love to see garcia, what do u xpect her to do?? she "investigate throught the pc. Not my favorite epsidose... an ok episode

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    2. i love garcia and her magic pc, she finds info very quickly ( some like a b, ceritifed etc) i can undertand, i also find ridiculous when she has some lines saying" she can't find anything. I enjoy better when she has to use her intelligence and going from one site to other site to find info,,, using clues..etc better than just "cliking and find something...i like better when she is part of the team and they all together help and support the investigation with clues, hints, etc.profiling, wirking as a team

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  9. Another stinker. I have to wonder what the writers are smoking these days.
    Hotch barely there, Reid-I honestly don't even recall seeing him in the show.

    I am tired tired tired of being disappointed.

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    1. Yeah, I saw them in the episode but they might as well not been in it as they were merely decorations. Handsome decorations but decorations none the less.

      Anyone else not having much hope for that new one they are working on right now? Not the one for next week but the one written by Kirsten and Messer?

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    2. It is getting harder and harder to be objective and not pre-judge but with Erica Messer's track record on retconning being so awful I have little expectation that this look back to the early days of the BAU will be any better. I will do as so many others do and check out fan reaction first before watching it, if at all. I actually think I may skip 10.11 and 10.13 entirely from all I've seen and read already, It is so far sad.

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    3. i will watch 10x13, i think is going to be a good one

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  10. i saw him in the show, but still Callahan and JJ...feel they are unusered Reid Garcia Hotch and Rossi.

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  11. thinking about it, it wasn't a bad episode, i enjoyed mostly. But still i prefere when the team works side by side , (the entire team from Hotch to garcia), like in hagstag still don't enjoy Callahan That much, and i miss Reid "chit chat". i would love to see more of the original team, specially Rossi Hotch Reid and Garcia.

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  12. This episode had a nice twist! I really liked it. Though.. I find it a little weird that the writers keep bringing up old story-lines. Like JJ's sister being dead and Morgan being abused as a kid. But at the same time, I do understand, because one does not ever get over something like Morgan went through, and I think seeing Morgan react after all that time sort of show us how fragile we, as humans, really are, Morgan included. Its just that I worry a bit.. Cause I really like CM and want it to air with a season 11, but the fact that the writers keep bringing up old character plots makes me wonder if they are getting tired of writing new story-lines for the characters.. (?) I hope i'm wrong.
    But a really great episode though! And the ending!! with Kate's kid.. this is probably going to lead somewhere! What if Kates kid gets kidnapped...

    The girl in the promo is probably Rossi's daughter, as some of you mentioned.. but I'm still very excited.

    And I really agree with you Carroll, I miss Reid chit chat and the original team.

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    1. agree, love the original cast i mean Reid Hotch Rossi Garcia JJ and Morgan,if they wanted something original they should hire a chief section..like Strauss. Why not a mature african american actress? that would be very interesting easnted of another profiler.

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    2. Yes, totally agree. But to be honest, i think that they never should have replaced Alex Blake. The team should have just continued without a seventh profiler.

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    3. Woops, I meant seventh member. Garcia is not a profiler.

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    4. agree, 5 profilers are enought, don't need a new one. an analist and maybe a chief section

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    5. I actually like when they reference the team's backstories, it does affect how they approach the cases and it would seem off if JJ didn't have insight into a suicide case or Derek, a pedophile case. Each of the team members have areas they specialise in: Hotch has the child story lines and the abusive father story lines, Reid generally has the bullying story lines or the mental health story lines or anything related to academia, Rossi has the war stories, families and the bottle type episodes where the unsub is already found but they just need a confession and psychological verbal sparring and like I mentioned above JJ and Derek have their story lines. I'm actually interested in seeing more of Rossi's life, he's never really gotten that many episodes focused on his life other than trying to save people he's feels guilty about.

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  13. i thought it was a very good episode. i would have loved to seen more JJ however. I would also like to see more scenes with the whole team together. Really wish they'd quit teaming JJ and Morgan so much.

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  14. Upon further review.....

    This episode was better than I originally thought. One of the first things about the episode that struck me when I watched it the first time was why Andrew was wearing a white dress shirt with a black tie. Then I figured it out with the clue provided. He and Curt had been to Matt's funeral that day. And in the first and second acts, what they made Westbrook do (taking off his clothes, using the water) was what he did to them. Remember the retrospect scene of Westbrook taking the young boy to another room and turning on the shower? The old light bulb in Rockie's head went off.

    And in the "it takes one to know one" department, Westbrook read Brian like a book. What Westbrook didn't count on was Brian's deep desires to keep being a pedophile. So the lines between Andrew and Brian about Westbrook saying he had changed and the other arguing that "they never change" became so much more magnified.

    Two complaints: first, why did I take two watchings for me to catch this? Maybe I'm on the dense side, but I feel it should have been more obvious. Secondly, I "get" why Kim had to write this episode this way. This was one that we needed to see things through the eyes of the unsubs/victims. That said, and like most times when the writers do this, they don't the episode enough balance with the team profiling some of this. After all, this show is about a specialized team that profiles criminals.

    I thought JJ was very effectively used in this episode. She was like the "old" JJ that some have been clamoring for with her interviewing/handling of Linda, Westbrook's wife. And yet, she was the new JJ with her line about how Linda went from protecting her husband to wanting a divorce lawyer. I'm getting a little tired of Morgan and JJ doing most of the unsub take downs at the end. But it used to be Morgan and Prentiss teamed up all the time, so I guess JJ is Morgan's new partner. Fine; but they still don't have to do all the take downs.

    I deliciously loved once again seeing Hotch and Rossi paired together in the field and Rossi calling Hotch "Aaron". Sorry; fangirl love is over. ;)

    Rockie's grade: B

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    1. Rockie; I agree with you on most everything. The funniest scene of the night was Rossi and Kate at the scene of the abduction. Rossi's line about football players, Kate's retort, and Rossi's response about " not you too" was priceless, left me on the floor. Look forward to your responses, RTF

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    2. Rockie; To respond to your comment about JJ. At this point, AJC could appear as a postage stamp in the background, and they would say she was getting to much screen time. I guess the damage is done. RTF

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    3. RTF, I respect every person's opinion. As a journalism major and practicing journalist in one of my former lives ;) I've lived by freedom of speech. I'll support that to my grave. However, and a big one, do I have to agree with those opinions? Respect yes; agree no. And I could go off on my own rant that I've sent to one of the mods here on this subject (i.e. JJ) to get their approval but I won't. The bottom line for me RTF: I support this site with my heart and soul. I'm humbled that they allow me to be do guest reviews.

      I agree with what you're saying 100%. However, I totally respect those that don't feel like we do. And I give props to the CMRT staff that we can keep the discussion respectful to each other while expressing our opinions.

      Btw, I enjoyed the Rossi and Kate scene as well. "Not you too?" That's my boy Rossi! And please (and to not confuse things) look at my "handle" and know where my "first" love is. ;) Rossi runs a close second. :D

      So let's all keep sharing our opinions with respect to everyone else.

      And thanks for luvs RTF. ;)

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    4. Rockie; I to, am aware of the 1st a. My brother is a reporter for the Compton Times in LA. I didn't mean to offend anyone concerning my comments about JJ. Lesson learned. Thanks for the response RTF

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    5. Robert,

      You have not offended anyone, Your opinions are welcomed :)

      rockhotch31,

      Thanks for the good words, they are appreciated :)


      CMRT admin

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  15. This post was made by sesquipedalian over on CM Bullpen. Thank you Sesqy....

    I will preface this by saying there are certain things I dislike on this show:
    1. Unsub(s) shown early on-- especially before opening credits
    2. Most of the time spent focusing on the unsubs instead of the team trying to solve the crime
    3. Bad line delivery/acting from one of the performers
    4. Garcia's magic computer finding all of the answers instead of the team doing the legwork
    5. Hotch and Reid disappearing for large periods of time and/or having little to contribute
    6. Victims that are made out to be villains in order to make the unsub(s) more sympathetic
    7. Multiple unsubs (with only a few exceptions)
    8. Lack of actual profiling
    9. Child of law enforcement agent doing something stupid that you know will come back to haunt them later (this applies to all shows, not just CM)
    10. Reactions/behavior of characters that is not believable

    This episode checked off every single one of those things. I would add that I am tired of JJ almost always being involved in the takedown. As soon as they said the wife was pregnant, I knew that JJ would be the one talking to her. I wish it hadn't been just JJ though. At least Hotch had to nod to tell JJ to take the interview. and at least JJ seemed warm and sympathetic at first. I admit I was pissed off when she told the woman that her husband might be a pedophile. She already knew the woman was in a delicate state and I wish we'd seen the discussion leading up to that decision. Such as the team weighing whether or not to broach the subject. And was it really really necessary? Did they gain any info from the woman? She could have had serious medical issues from the stress. To me, that was very callous. The woman was already stressed out. And I don't buy that by the end she was asking for a divorce lawyer. ( comment 1-2)

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    1. (Comment 2-2)

      The less violent unsub (who was trying to talk the first one out of shooting) had bad line delivery and something about his facial expressions pissed me off at times. I don't think he was the best choice.

      And then suddenly the victim changes his tune and acted creepy and the behavior was not realistic.

      I was ok with Morgan being affected and I was fine with him talking to the kids about how he knew what it was like to go through that. Unfortunately, I didn't feel there really was a connection. It was just words and it sort of fell flat. Not because of the performance, but because of the script. I liked Kate in this one. Her line delivery was good and I felt she was connecting with the team when she interacted with them. I liked Rossi asking Morgan if he was ok.

      Garcia's lines weren't so bad, but it pissed me off that almost all of the info was found by her instead of the team going through files, interviewing people, and actually doing legwork.

      I barely remember Reid in this one. I think he blurted out a few things and then disappeared for large periods of time. I think he was in 5 or 6 scenes total if you count the sleeping on the plane and just being on screen for a flash as they panned the camera. He and Hotch were both largely absent and that annoyed me. I'm not really surprised that Reid was barely in this because Kim doesn't know how to write for him. I'd rather have him get no lines instead of stupid lines.

      Morgan telling the unsub he would get a confession made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I know what the writer was trying to go for, but it didn't work.

      JJ's ponytail, for some irrational reason, pissed me off at the end. The way it was swinging...

      And then Meg sending a pic of herself to the creepy guy... Ugh... I found that I don't really like Meg for some reason. The actress annoyed me. Well, I don't know if was the actress so much as the lines she was given. I hate when teens are written like that.

      Overall, I thought this was a flop although I didn't actually hate it. I did almost turn it off when I saw the unsubs before the credits, but I forced myself to keep watching. I suppose I could watch it again, but I wouldn't seek it out.

      Honestly, I think Kim needs to be fired or they need to pair her with a writer who can write profiling and dialog and actually have a cohesive plot. She just seems far more invested in the unsubs than in the team (unless its Morgan and Garcia).

      *Thanks again to Sesqy she's hit every note I felt on this episode*

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    2. Very well summed up Sesqui! I agree completely with all of this. Thanks Barbara for posting it here so more people get to see it. They are gradually killing the heart of the show - the team and the profiling.

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    3. Yes they are... and that's why I wanted to spread these words of wisdom around... :)

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    4. i barely see Garcia except few scenes finding the info so quicly, i wish she interacts more with the team,. Same for Reid or even Hotch. I need more psichology, profiling and finding info with her help, or like in the big wheel....not finding info some info so quicly...that would add more tension.. About showing up the unburb so soon, it depends: the big wheel was a great episode, we saw the unsurb from the beggining, but the pchology of this pscho was so great...and the team again working side by side working together to find him., studying her psicho, his story etc, interesting episode.

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    5. When Garcia can find out all the information needed to solve the case 'without' having any parameters given her from the team that is implausible. I do like Garcia when she is being used correctly as a 'tool' to help the team solve the crime. I do NOT like it when she can magically click a few keys and everything unfolds without the team barely doing any profiling. My favorite episode showcasing her 'skills' is House on Fire, when Hotch sends Garcia to be the witch hunter.

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    6. House on Fire is a very good exemple, there were lots of Garcia but her interaction with the team and especially Hotch was spot on and on tyop it gave us a look into her working relationship with Hotch and how he respect her and how she is not afraid to tell Hotch when she think he demands too much of her.

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    7. House on Fire is a good exemple of how i like Garcia's job, appart from the banter between Hotch and her ( wich i always enjoy)...she post to be smart...not just clik and find the info so soon, she post to investigate, check, looking for records using her intelligence, her tools and help profilers. Profilers do interviews, see the evidences, check the scenes, and with Garcia info they do the profiling. Agree with barbara

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    8. disagree i don't Think Kimberly write specially for Morgan and garcia at all maybe some scene In Mister and Mistress anderson episode But i feel writers are under much pression to write good lines for Callahan Morgan and JJ.

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    9. Carrroll,

      If you go back and review all of Kim's episodes you will be able to see that she does indeed write for JJ/Morgan/Garcia pretty exclusively. The other cast's lines are fairly generic and in reality could be delivered by anyone on set much less the character the lines are meant for... She does 'include' all the cast but she's is best writing for her favorite characters.

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    10. Carrroll, - Also if you look at her works.. Kim has a specific type of writing she sticks too... 1. it's either about pedophile's 2. children from dysfunctional parents they turn out being unsubs... 3.Or it's parents/adults so disturbed they become the unsub.

      All her stories have a juvenile quality to them with the writing. I don't know if that's her intent? If she's 'dumbing down' the intelligence level to appeal to the Tweetybopper fans, or if that is truly how she views life? But sadly this 'dumbing down' of CM isn't appealing to me as a fan of the show.

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  16. To Sesky's comment that Meg annoyed her, I saw that "thing" as well, and it seemed to me that she was having trouble with the lines because KIDS DON'T TALK THAT WAY.

    I agree about Reid. Although he was in every act, in 8 scenes, he had a total of nine lines, one offscreen. But who's counting =)

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  17. To Sesqy, Barbara, Mary, and Sue; I agree with all that you've said. Looking back on this show, there was something about it that wasn't right. But one thing has become abundantly clear, the writers seem to have collectively left the building. It's almost like they've stopped trying to write good scripts and are willing to put anything out there for the actors to perform to. I've been complaining about the writers, for the most part, since I've joined CMRT. Not being a writer, I can't imagine how difficult it must be to write a complete episode every 8 to 10 days. I hope they find their way soon. Joe Garagiola (spelling is bad) once said something that I find pertinent to CM lately. " What got you here is going to keep you here. If you don't do it here you won't stay here."
    The actors can only do so much with a script, or casting. We've all seen them turn in great performances on our screens. But this time, I don't think they can do any more than they already have. It's not their fault. There are only so many rabbits in a magician's hat. IMO the writers have given all they can. If they expect to have a season 11, they need a new infusion of material to complete this season.
    As always, I appreciate and enjoy your comments and look forward to your responses ... RTF

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    1. RTF, you know I always have a response. ;)

      I agree that SOME of the current batch of writers are not hitting the right notes. However, I will say this. Those of us in CM fandom do not know the edicts they (the writers and CM execs) may be getting from the CBS execs on high that only worry about numbers and "demo figures". Which I have no clue what that means, other than its important to the bigwigs.

      That said, and RTF, you did ask (hehehehehe), here's Rockie's scorecard on the writers. And with all due respect to everyone, solely my HO.

      Erica is the boss. She's not going anywhere; like it or not.

      Janine, IMHO, has one foot out the door. A new show that she pitched as Exec Producer has been picked up. So I feel her heart is more with that show than CM. And it shows. Janine used to be rock solid. Now she's hit or miss.

      Sharon Lee Watson, Virgil Williams and Bruce Zimmerman (my sneaky subtle guy) are in. So is Jim Clemente. Enough said on Jim; he knows this stuff.

      Rick Dunkle has written some really great stuff for CM. But IMHO, he hangs around too much with his "Boo Boo" i.e. Kim Harrison, who has to go. Me thinks she's rubbing off on him. But Rick has been with CM from the beginning, starting as a story editor. I'd like to have someone around in the writer room that remembers those humble beginnings. The same holds true for Breen. Those two are on the "cusp" in my world; but I'll hang onto them for now.

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  18. RTF and Rocky, - I agree there needs to be changes in the writers room.. I also think that with the best writer's in that room as long as Erica is in charge nothing will change.... Her contract is up this year also, so there is NO Guarantee she will be resigned. Especially if the actors/actresses aren't happy with the direction she is leading their characters down. After all it is 'their' reputations as actors/actresses that are on the line because of their performances. Yes, I know some of the actors/actresses have been in 'favor' of changes to their characters (AJC) but after all even AJC backpedaled on how JJ was depicted after last years debacle. TG is, from what I gathered from comments over the years very passionate and professional regarding his craft and I can't imagine him not saying something to Erica or even the higher ups if he was unhappy. I wonder if that is why he's now directing 2 episodes this year? An attempt to appease him? Personally I believe that MGG backed off directing this episode because Kim was writing it, and that IMHO would be because of her style of writing.
    Janine 'sold' a script, I don't believe there's been an order for pilot as of yet. So if she's banking on that??? Either way for me Janine is 'hit' or 'miss' in the writers room.. She is much better when she doesn't politicize her story lines.
    I agree with you Rocky about Sharon, Virgil, Bruce, Bruce and JC - they are all excellent writers and when allowed to do their thing without imput/orders from Erica their episodes are wonderful.
    Rick, while being a good writer has allowed his 'personal life' and his partners feelings and desires seep into his own writing much to his detriment.
    Kim, in all universes must go. She's not capable of writing or a wide range of characters, nor a wide range of viewers. Her juvenile style only appeals to younger viewers and while that fits with CBS demo desires it's not practical to gain the young and flighty viewers only to loose the older more stable ones...

    So, there you have my 2 (ok 4 ) cents.

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    1. Huh...I hadn't heard that MGG backed out of directing this episode. Is he still doing two episodes this year, or is it now just one? The pity. I like his episodes.

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  19. Disclaimer, I did not watch this episode because I am still so beyond angry at how little the team has been in the last 30-40 episodes. However, I can't believe no one on the CM writing or production staff haven't realized Hotch and Reid have been MIA for two (or more) seasons. It seems like the only time we see Reid anymore, he is asleep on the plane. Is this some story arc like Reid has cancer or something? Why is he always asleep?

    Or maybe the real story arc is the ever increasing number of BAU members that have disappeared. It used to be just Hotch and Reid, but in Boxed In Morgan, Garcia and Callahan all disappeared too. Instead of, "Who shot JR?", we now have, "What happened to the BAU?" Hey FBI, dig up JJ's garden and basement. I guarantee you that she did it! Motive - she wants the BAU glory all to herself.

    Maybe the "love letter" to the fans will be an episode where Reid is actually awake or (gasp!) speaks. Maybe that is what Erica Messer means about going back to the original days of the BAU. Or maybe, it will be an episode where Hotch says more than, "Wheels up in thirty." Maybe a BAU team member will have a real emotional response to something they experience on the case.

    Maybe in the episode, JJ will wake up from her dream in which she was the greatest profiler of all time, the greatest fighter of all time, had the highest IQ of all time, was the most witty of all time, the most beautiful of all time, the toughest of all time, the overall greatest everything of all time... Then the TEAM solves a case all working together.

    Or the episode could go another direction. Maybe the true love letter to the fans is that the writers realize that Garcia still has a few lines because she is the only hacker. They will quickly rectify that oversight by making JJ the best hacker of all time. Then no one else ever has to have a line or the camera pointed in their direction ever.

    I think I am busy for the rest of season 10 and beyond but I will likely check in here to read just how wonderfully JJ is featured in this love letter and how successful the writers were in completely shutting out the other cast members - especially Reid and Hotch.

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  20. Mary Mh22 always complaning about the same thing.....

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